Legislature(1995 - 1996)

03/14/1996 09:10 AM Senate FIN

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                             MINUTES                                           
                 JOINT HOUSE AND SENATE FINANCE                                
                        COMMITTEE MEETING                                      
                         March 14, 1996                                        
                            9:10 a.m.                                          
                                                                               
  TAPES                                                                        
                                                                               
  SFC-96, #41, Side 1 (000-575)                                                
  SFC-96, #41, Side 2 (575-460)                                                
                                                                               
  CALL TO ORDER                                                                
                                                                               
  Representative  Richard  Foster, Co-chairman,  House Finance                 
  Committee,  convened the  joint  House  and  Senate  Finance                 
  Committee meeting at approximately 9:10 a.m.                                 
                                                                               
  PRESENT                                                                      
                                                                               
  The following committee members attended:                                    
                                                                               
       House                              Senate                               
                                                                               
       Representative Foster              Senator Donley                       
       Representative Grussendorf         Senator Phillips                     
       Representative Navarre             Senator Sharp                        
       Representative Parnell             Senator Zharoff                      
       Representative Therriault                                               
                                                                               
  OTHER   LEGISLATORS   PRESENT:       Representative    Ivan,                 
  Representative Moses, and Representative Ogan.                               
                                                                               
  ALSO ATTENDING:  Percy Frisbe, Director, Division of Energy,                 
  Dept. of  Community  and  Regional  Affairs;  Gloria  Manni,                 
  Assistant Director, Division  of Energy, Dept. of  Community                 
  and  Regional Affairs;  Dave  Hutchens, Executive  Director,                 
  Alaska Rural Electric Cooperative  Association; Brad Reeves,                 
  General  Manager,  Kotzebue  Electric  Cooperative;  Charles                 
  Walls, General Manager, Alaska Village Electric Cooperative;                 
  Mike   Greany,   Director,  Legislative   Finance  Division;                 
  Virginia  Stonkus,  fiscal   analyst,  Legislative   Finance                 
  Division; and aides  to committee members and  other members                 
  of the legislature.                                                          
                                                                               
  PARTICIPATING  VIA TELECONFERENCE:    Randy Simmons,  Alaska                 
  Industrial  and  Export  Authority,  Dept.  of  Commerce and                 
  Economic  Development,  Anchorage;  Al Unok  and  Joe  Mike,                 
  Manager of the local utility, Kotlik, Alaska.                                
                                                                               
  SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                          
                                                                               
                 POWER COST EQUALIZATION PROGRAM                               
                                                                               
  Representative  Richard  Foster, Co-chairman,  House Finance                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Committee, welcomed  participants to  the meeting and  noted                 
  teleconference links  to legislative information  offices at                 
  Anchorage,   Barrow,   Bethel,   Cordova,  Delta   Junction,                 
  Dillingham, Fairbanks,  Juneau, Kotzebue, Nome,  and Tok  as                 
  well  as  additional  links to  offnet  sites  at Anchorage,                 
  Kwethluk, Kotlik, Hooper Bay, and Mountain Village.                          
                                                                               
  Co-chairman Foster  attested to  the need  for and  benefits                 
  derived from the  Power Cost Equalization Program  and noted                 
  financial  concerns that place the  program in jeopardy.  He                 
  then advised that  representatives of  both the Division  of                 
  Energy, Dept.  of Community  and Regional  Affairs, and  the                 
  Alaska Rural Electric  Cooperative Association (ARECA)  were                 
  present to review the current  program and recommend changes                 
  to  enable the  program  to continue,  in  light of  reduced                 
  funding.                                                                     
                                                                               
  DAVE  HUTCHENS, Executive  Director,  Alaska Rural  Electric                 
  Cooperative Association, explained that ARECA is composed of                 
  18 electric cooperatives and regional electrical authorities                 
  and 19 other  public utilities.  Of the 37 members, a subset                 
  of 17 are members of the ARECA Rural Issues Forum, the group                 
  which requested  the present  hearing.   Mr. Hutchens  asked                 
  that managers, directors, and  management employees of rural                 
  utilities, in the audience, stand and be recognized.                         
                                                                               
  BRAD REEVES, General Manager, Kotzebue Electric Cooperative,                 
  advised that issues relating to  the Power Cost Equalization                 
  Program  have a  direct impact  on the  health, life  style,                 
  education,  and employment of  an estimated  75,000 Alaskans                 
  and hundreds  of businesses in both rural  and urban Alaska.                 
  He explained  that the  ARECA Rural  Issues Forum  requested                 
  committee discussion of  rural electricity, the fate  of the                 
  PCE program, and what  might happen without the  program and                 
  without fair and  equitable support of rural  Alaska through                 
  power cost equalization.                                                     
                                                                               
  Mr.  Reeves focused  on  modern  necessities made  available                 
  through electricity.  He noted  that while these necessities                 
  are taken for  granted by urban  residents, they are  recent                 
  improvements to the lives of those in rural areas.  He noted                 
  that Healy Lake Village got central station electric service                 
  in 1994.                                                                     
                                                                               
  As  background information,  Mr.  Reeves  observed that  the                 
  state has used  part of its  revenues gained from  resources                 
  (oil, fish, timber, and minerals) in rural Alaska to finance                 
  electrical infrastructures in urban areas.  To balance those                 
  expenditures, and in fairness to rural areas where there are                 
  few alternatives to expensive  diesel generation, the  state                 
  has helped rural utilities and rural residents receive safe,                 
  reliable, affordable power.     The Power Cost  Equalization                 
  Program has been the state's most effective tool toward that                 
  end.    PCE began  in  1980.   A  total  of 175  communities                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  representing  75,000  people  participate  in  the  program.                 
  Benefits of  the program flow  directly to consumers  of 103                 
  utilities, including residences, vital community facilities,                 
  businesses, and schools.   PCE is used to pay  a significant                 
  part   of  electric   bills,  especially   in  small   rural                 
  communities without economic advantages.  Such funding helps                 
  to keep  the cost  of this  essential service  in line  with                 
  electricity costs in Fairbanks, Anchorage, and Juneau.                       
  Commencing a  slide presentation,  Mr. Reeves  noted that  a                 
  comparison of power  costs between  urban areas and  village                 
  settings evidences that  even with PCE, rural  residents pay                 
  almost double what urban areas pay  for electricity.  Only a                 
  third  of  the  electricity  sold  in  eligible  communities                 
  qualifies for PCE.   The other  two-thirds is fully paid  by                 
  consumers.  Mr.  Reeves stressed  that rural electric  costs                 
  that are twice that  of urban areas occur in  settings where                 
  population is increasing,  the costs  of goods and  services                 
  are much higher, and average income is much lower.  In rural                 
  Alaska, the cost  of affordable power  is a serious  matter.                 
  Rural residents pay  a much higher percentage  of income for                 
  the same amount of power as urban residents.  Costs of rural                 
  power are higher for four reasons:                                           
                                                                               
       1.   Higher capital costs.                                              
       2.   Higher fuel costs.                                                 
       3.   Higher transportation costs.                                       
       4.   Lack of economies of scale.                                        
                                                                               
  In addition to  directly helping people, PCE  also maintains                 
  basic utility  infrastructures  in rural  communities.    It                 
  keeps water and wastewater  treatment utilities functioning,                 
  keeps street lights on, and  community centers and community                 
  health clinics open.  The stable revenue source PCE provides                 
  allows communities  to qualify  for  necessary financing  to                 
  improve systems and services and  maintain affordable power.                 
  The program should not be viewed  as a give-away or handout.                 
  It is an  investment that saves Alaskans money, saves lives,                 
  helps educate citizens, assists with  health, and allows the                 
  state to continue to  benefit from its rich resources.   PCE                 
  continues to accomplish a great  deal that directly benefits                 
  the state.   Because of the Power Cost Equalization Program,                 
  rural communities and residents have  been able to move into                 
  modern times.                                                                
                                                                               
  Mr. Reeves stressed  that to maintain equity the  state must                 
  ensure that revenues from Alaska's abundant resources,  most                 
  of which derive from rural locations,  are used to build and                 
  improve   utility   infrastructure   and  citizen   services                 
  statewide.    The  history  of  the state's  rural  electric                 
  assistance  programs is  intertwined with  state  efforts to                 
  build hydroelectric  projects  to provide  urban areas  with                 
  inexpensive  power.    PCE improves  safety,  services,  and                 
  communications.  It  helps keep  power costs affordable  for                 
  community  water  and wastewater  facilities--utilities that                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  have a  direct relationship  to health.   The program  helps                 
  support the cost of vital community services and keeps rural                 
  Alaskans  in  touch  with  the  rest  of the  state  through                 
  telephones, faxes, computers, and radios.                                    
                                                                               
  PCE creates  affordable  power  to  support  Alaska's  rural                 
  economy  and  resources while  sustaining a  necessary labor                 
  pool to  develop those  resources.   Numerous businesses  in                 
  Anchorage,  Fairbanks, and Juneau  are closely  connected to                 
  rural economies.  Fishing, timber, mining, oil, tourism, and                 
  transportation  of  basic  consumer  goods  are  examples of                 
  Alaska's largest industries that depend upon rural areas and                 
  affordable  and  reliable  power.   PCE  ensures  that these                 
  businesses will continue to grow, develop, and prosper.                      
                                                                               
  An abrupt end  to power  cost equalization  would create  an                 
  economic crisis that would impact all  of Alaska.  The state                 
  needs a reasonable plan to ease rural residents off PCE in a                 
  manner that ensures  a soft landing.  Rural communities that                 
  have  lost  PCE  have become  economically  stressed.   Loss                 
  created serious problems  with delivery of health  and other                 
  basic human services.                                                        
                                                                               
  ARECA  Rural  Issues Forum  members  serve  70% of  the  PCE                 
  consumers.  The  103 utilities participating in  the program                 
  consist  of  numerous  types:    cooperatives,   municipals,                 
  locally-owned, and employee-owned.  They provide much needed                 
  services.  They  care about their  consumers.  And they  are                 
  intent upon ensuring that their consumers join the twentieth                 
  century and prepare  for the  twenty-first.  Despite  rising                 
  costs and growing populations,  when adjusted for inflation,                 
  Alaska's rural utilities have  managed to lower the cost  of                 
  electricity while  improving service and continuing  to meet                 
  demand.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Mr.  Reeves next spoke  to cost saving  efficiencies such as                 
  the  cooperative   effort   between  AVEC   and   a   diesel                 
  manufacturer  to  retrofit  a diesel  truck  engine  with an                 
  electric generator.   The result was improved  efficiency of                 
  13% and lower overall costs to consumers.  Cost  containment                 
  at Naknek  Electric has reduced  the average cost  of retail                 
  kilowatt hours from  22 cents in  1989 to 19.3 cents  today.                 
  Kotzebue Electric has  begun to  install the first  utility-                 
  grade wind turbines  in Alaska.   The foregoing  innovations                 
  will help the Northwest region lower costs.                                  
                                                                               
  Successful   management,   productive    partnerships,   and                 
  innovations have enabled rural utilities to keep power rates                 
  down.  However, costs remain  considerably higher than rates                 
  in urban areas.  Without the stabilizing force of power cost                 
  equalization,  power  in  rural  Alaska  would be  seriously                 
  threatened.  The issue facing all of Alaska is the potential                 
  disaster of  shutting  off  the  lights of  rural  areas  by                 
  prematurely "killing  the Power Cost  Equalization Program."                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Projections show that,  based on current usage,  the program                 
  will end abruptly in 1999.                                                   
                                                                               
  PERCY  FRISBE,  Director,  Division  of  Energy,  Dept.   of                 
  Community and Regional Affairs,  next came before committee.                 
  He expressed appreciation for an  opportunity to explain the                 
  Power Cost Equalization Program to  members and advised that                 
  staff would speak to the financial condition of the program.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  GLORIA MANNI, Assistant Director, Division of Energy,  Dept.                 
  of Community  and Regional  Affairs, came  before committee.                 
  Utilizing tabulations illuminated by  an overhead projector,                 
  she  explained  that the  fund  would  contain approximately                 
  $47.5  million at the  end of FY  97.  For  the upcoming two                 
  years, expected revenue from the four-dam pool transfer fund                 
  will  total  $13.5  million and  investments  will  total $5                 
  million.  The foregoing produces a  total of $66 million for                 
  power cost equalization.   With  current utilization of  $20                 
  million per year, the fund will be exhausted by 1999.                        
                                                                               
  Ms.  Manni explained  that  the  above-noted  $13.5  million                 
  derives from the four-dam pool consisting of:                                
                                                                               
       1.   Terror Lake (Kodiak)                                               
       2.   Tyee Lake (Wrangell/Petersburg)                                    
       3.   Swan Lake (Ketchikan)                                              
       4.   Solomon Gulch (Valdez/Glennallen)                                  
                                                                               
  built for a total cost of $475 million from $295  million in                 
  state  grants  and a  $180  million  state loan.    The debt                 
  service on the  state loan is the source of revenue to three                 
  statutory  funds.   Forty  percent of  the  debt service  is                 
  allocated to the Power Cost Equalization  Program.  There is                 
  no certainty regarding a continued stream of revenue to fund                 
  PCE.                                                                         
                                                                               
  Ms.  Manni  next   spoke  to   utilization  of  power   cost                 
  equalization moneys, advising that $11.1 million is used for                 
  residential  services.   It  reflects  increased and  stable                 
  growth in rural communities.  Funding for commercial use has                 
  decreased since 1993 when the  legislature removed state and                 
  federal-funded facilities  from eligibility.   Services  for                 
  community  facilities  have  grown,   reflecting  additional                 
  water,  sewer, and  other infrastructure  projects in  rural                 
  areas for which PCE provides funding.  The population served                 
  totals approximately 76,000 people in 175 communities.  Each                 
  residential  consumer utilizes  only 343 kilowatt  hours per                 
  month.   That is  extremely  conservative.   Average use  in                 
  Anchorage is double.  Each residential PCE customer receives                 
  $557 in annual benefits.                                                     
                                                                               
  Directing attention to charts and  graphs, BRAD REEVES noted                 
  that state  financial support  for PCE  has remained  stable                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  over the period  of the  fund.  That  stability has  allowed                 
  rural communities  access to basic  human services.   It has                 
  also allowed  for increased community facilities  (water and                 
  sewer) which have aided in solving health problems.  As part                 
  of the  overhaul of energy programs in 1993, the legislature                 
  included intent to stabilize the  PCE program at $17 million                 
  for  twenty years (to  the year 2013).   That time frame was                 
  intended  to  provide rural  areas  an opportunity  to build                 
  better alternatives, work  on other projects to  solve rural                 
  energy needs, and move into the future.                                      
                                                                               
  The  Governor's  budget  for  FY  97 proposes  $17  million.                 
  Recipients of the program have agreed to pared down  funding                 
  in the spirit  of developing reasonable low-cost,  long-term                 
  solutions.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Mr.  Reeves  noted  that  the   fund  was  never  adequately                 
  capitalized.   Support  for PCE  at  a predictable  level is                 
  essential for protection of rural consumers.                                 
                                                                               
  Mr. Reeves next spoke to changes in  the program recommended                 
  by the Alaska Rural  Issues Forum, as a result  of declining                 
  funding:                                                                     
                                                                               
       1.   Termination of grant fund provisions to save  $1.4                 
  million        and extend the life of the program.                           
                                                                               
       2.   Deletion of  commercial customers  since they  can                 
  raise          revenues to  cover differences.   The maximum                 
                 per month kilowatt  usage is only 700.   This                 
                 change would thus not have  a great impact on                 
                 commercial  consumers  and  would reduce  the                 
                 program by $2.5 million per year.                             
                                                                               
       3.   Raise the  floor from  the current  9.5 cents  per                 
  kilowatt                                                                     
            hour  to $9.7.  That  would shift PCE dollars from                 
  towns          to villages.                                                  
                                                                               
       4.   Lower  the percentage  of covered  costs from  the                 
  current        level of 95%.  That would cut program dollars                 
                 equally for all participants.                                 
                                                                               
  Remaining  PCE  funding  would  then  flow  to  the  highest                 
  priority:   residential  consumers and  community facilities                 
  (street lights, water,  and sewer).  Schools  would continue                 
  to  be eligible.    Mr. Reeves  stressed  that reliable  and                 
  affordable power is the common denominator to  solve many of                 
  the problems in rural areas.                                                 
                                                                               
  The ARECA Rural Issues  Forum agrees with the intent  of the                 
  legislature  that  the fund  end in  a reasonable  length of                 
  time.   Mr. Reeves then questioned  what would be considered                 
  "reasonable" and  suggested that it should  provide adequate                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  time to  continue statewide efforts to improve efficiencies,                 
  find alternatives,  develop  new  technologies,  and  better                 
  establish necessary infrastructure.                                          
                                                                               
  CHARLES WALLS,  General  Manager,  Alaska  Village  Electric                 
  Cooperative,  and Chairman,  ARECA Rural Issues  Forum, next                 
  came before  committee.    He  referenced written  materials                 
  submitted to  members and advised  that he would  respond to                 
  questions.   Representative  Foster inquired  concerning the                 
  impact of  four-dam pool  divestiture.   Mr. Walls  stressed                 
  that PCE is intertwined with the four-dam pool hydroelectric                 
  projects.  PCE participants feel they have a claim on 40% of                 
  the revenue stream and 40% of  the proceeds should the state                 
  sell the projects.                                                           
                                                                               
  Senator Sharp referenced the proposal to eliminate the grant                 
  program and voiced his understanding that the intent  of the                 
  grants was  to promote  innovative power  projects in  rural                 
  Alaska to provide a long range solution to the high  cost of                 
  energy.    Mr.  Walls concurred  in  that  understanding but                 
  advised  that  research  of  the  1993  legislative  records                 
  indicates   that   the  intent   did   not  "get   into  the                 
  regulations."    Grant provisions  in  the PCE  program have                 
  resulted  in   general  grants  with  no   direction  toward                 
  innovation.  It  was the  understanding at the  time of  the                 
  1993  overhaul that grants were to  fund only projects which                 
  reduced the  cost of  PCE.  That  has not  been the  case in                 
  practice.  The grant program has generally been used to meet                 
  capital life, health, and safety needs.                                      
                                                                               
  Senator Randy Phillips inquired  regarding alternative power                 
  sources.    Mr.  Walls  advised  of  several   hydroelectric                 
  projects (Black  Bear Lake,  Prince of  Wales Island;  Power                 
  Creek, Cordova; and Old Harbor were specifically mentioned).                 
  Kotzebue  Electric  Association is  pioneering work  in wind                 
  energy.   Turbines  are scheduled  to  go into  service this                 
  year.  Research  and development funding was provided by the                 
  federal government.                                                          
                                                                               
  Discussion followed between Senator Phillips and Brad Reeves                 
  pertaining to a joint project  with a telephone cooperative,                 
  utilizing  battery  chargers to  aid in  communications with                 
  remote cabins and camps.                                                     
                                                                               
  Representative  Grussendorf asked  if  ARECA members  voiced                 
  concern regarding funding for PCE in  the course of the 1993                 
  legislative overhaul.   He said that upcoming  problems were                 
  evident to him  at that time  and asked if members  expected                 
  the program to end in 1998-99.   Mr. Walls acknowledged that                 
  members did not like many elements of the 1993 restructuring                 
  but ended up having to  work with the result.  While  intent                 
  language speaks to continuation  for 20 years, it  is intent                 
  only.  ARECA is thus back before the legislature to speak to                 
  continuing need in rural  areas.  Representative Grussendorf                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  again  asked  if testimony  in  1993 expressed  concerns now                 
  being raised.   DAVE HUTCHENS  again came before  committee.                 
  He  explained  that  he represented  ARECA  during  the 1993                 
  restructuring.  He  recalled that he  had no opportunity  to                 
  testify on  the version of the bill which ultimately passed,                 
  at its single hearing in House Finance Committee.                            
                                                                               
  RANDY SIMMONS, Alaska Industrial and Export Authority, Dept.                 
  of  Commerce  and  Economic  Development,  next   spoke  via                 
  teleconference from Anchorage.   Speaking  to the impact  of                 
  divestiture on  PCE, Mr.  Simmons explained  that the  state                 
  entered discussions with the five  utilities in the four-dam                 
  pool in August of 1995 to examine the possibility of selling                 
  the  hydro  projects  to the  utilities.    Monthly meetings                 
  attempted to set parameters  for a sales price.   All agreed                 
  it had to be in the best interest of both the state  and the                 
  utilities to effect  the sale.  At a meeting  four weeks ago                 
  where price was to be discussed,  the state made its initial                 
  presentation of what it  believed the price should be.   The                 
  utilities  responded  by  saying that  the  price  was "much                 
  higher  than  they even  fathomed."   Both  parties mutually                 
  agreed to  put off further discussions of  divestiture.  The                 
  state recently received correspondence  from representatives                 
  of the utilities asking if it would make sense to go back to                 
  the table.   The state has not yet  responded to the letter.                 
  Divestiture talks are thus on indefinite hold at  this time.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Mr.  Simmons  next noted  potential  impact  on PCE  of  AEA                 
  funding of up to $25 million in repair bonds.  SB 284 and HB
  492 change the manner in which moneys flow from the 40/40/20                 
  split, contained in  1993 legislation,  and allow AEA  first                 
  call on  the $11 million in  annual debt service to  pay off                 
  bonds  for  repairs.   The  remaining amount  would  then be                 
  divided  per the  above  split.   Terms  of agreements  with                 
  utilities call for up to $25 million in bonds up to 25 years                 
  in  duration.   If  debt  service  on the  bonds  amounts to                 
  approximately $5 million a year, the  impact on PCE would be                 
  $2 million.                                                                  
                                                                               
  Representative  Grussendorf   inquired  concerning   numbers                 
  involved  in purchase  negotiations and  attached liability.                 
  Mr. Simmons said that:                                                       
                                                                               
       The state threw out on the  table, roughly, a number of                 
       $84   million   with   the    utilities   taking   over                 
       responsibility for  the  repairs,  that  we're  talking                 
       about right now, to the Tyee and  Terror Lake projects.                 
       Estimated  numbers  for  those  repairs  are  somewhere                 
       around $20 to $25 million . . . .  The numbers that  we                 
       got back from the utilities . . . was [sic] they may be                 
       willing to pay  somewhere between zero and  $20 million                 
       for the projects.                                                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
  AL  UNOK,  next  spoke via  teleconference  from  Kotlik and                 
  introduced JOE MIKE the  manager of the local utility.   Mr.                 
  Mike  asked if the  legislature intended to  cut funding for                 
  the   PCE   program.      Representative  Foster   responded                 
  negatively,  advising, "That's  why we're  having the  panel                 
  today."  He acknowledged that  questions were "looming ahead                 
  of us . . .  in the next three or four years  that we'd like                 
  to address right now."   Various legislative committees have                 
  not yet  come up with "an idea on what to do with PCE."  Mr.                 
  Mike attested to the benefit of PCE for Kotlik consumers.                    
                                                                               
  In response  to  a question  regarding whether  cuts in  the                 
  program   would  be  equally  applied  to  all  communities,                 
  Representative Foster noted that the panel was attempting to                 
  develop   background   information   in  response   to   the                 
  administration's proposed 12% decrease to the program.                       
                                                                               
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  Mr. Mike urged that cuts in the program be made from the top                 
  down rather than  across the  board.  He  stressed that  PCE                 
  should help those who need it most.                                          
                                                                               
  Representative   Foster   directed   attention  to   written                 
  testimony (copy on  file) from the Tanana  Chiefs Conference                 
  and the Tuntutuliak  Traditional Council.   He then  thanked                 
  those  in  attendance   and  on  teleconference  for   their                 
  participation.                                                               
                                                                               
  Representative Ivan expressed concern over what might happen                 
  three years from now when PCE  funding runs out.  He  voiced                 
  appreciation for efforts to  identify alternative sources of                 
  energy but stressed that many areas have neither the economy                 
  nor resources to "come up with alternative resource plans in                 
  three years."  A longer time frame is needed.                                
                                                                               
  Representative Foster  noted that  panel discussion  at this                 
  time  was intended to  highlight the  PCE problem  before it                 
  became a  crisis.  He acknowledged need  for continuing work                 
  to find alternations or options to allow for a soft landing.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Representative Ogan, sponsor  of HB 394, explained  that his                 
  bill deals  with an "across-the-counter leasing  program for                 
  shallow gas that would help develop . . . alternative energy                 
  sources for  rural Alaska."   He  pointed to  many coal  bed                 
  deposits  along river beds  in rural  areas and  deposits of                 
  shallow gas.  The legislation  would simplify and streamline                 
  the  process   for  independent  drillers  to  access  these                 
  resources and convert rural communities  to natural gas.  He                 
  advised that his  aide would make additional  information on                 
  the bill available to interested parties.                                    
                                                                               
                                                                               
  ADJOURNMENT                                                                  
                                                                               
  The meeting was adjourned at approximately 10:00 a.m.                        
                                                                               

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